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Just Women Talking Shit
Ep 97: The Courage to Find Your Way & Redefine Personal Success with Dina-Marie Weineck
Have you ever felt like your life was on autopilot, following a path that wasn’t truly yours?
In this episode, I sit down with Dina-Marie, creator of Way of the Founder and a coach for expats, nomads, and transplants, as we explore her courageous leap from a successful career in the U.S. to starting anew in Vietnam. Dina-Marie’s story challenges the boundaries between external success and internal fulfillment, offering profound insights into the transformative power of bold decisions.
A nomad and expat of 10 years, Dina-Marie helps visionary entrepreneurs build location-independent businesses that align with their wildest dreams of freedom and impact. With her unique approach—equal parts strategy and soul—she empowers others to stop trading time for money and redefine success on their own terms.
This episode is filled with both hilarity and heartfelt moments, including tales of mispronounced names, the quirks of virtual meetings, and a delightful nod to a Key and Peele skit that will leave you smiling.
Together, we unravel the world of location-independent entrepreneurship, diving into what it truly means to live and work beyond the confines of a traditional nine-to-five.
Dina-Marie shares her passion for blending personal growth, spiritual exploration, and business leadership to create lives of freedom and purpose.
Through candid discussions on mental health, chronic illness, and leaving corporate life behind, we illuminate the journey from burnout to liberation. We reflect on the importance of community, spirituality, and self-discovery, highlighting moments of introspection and surrender that lead to finding authenticity and fulfillment.
Dina-Marie’s background in music management, her degree in entrepreneurship, and her deep spiritual practice inform her holistic coaching style.
Through Way of the Founder, she provides hands-on support, deep healing practices, and travel inspiration for nomadic entrepreneurs. Her story is proof that true freedom is possible, and her mission is to guide others toward financial freedom, location independence, and a life that truly works for them.
Highlights from this episode include:
- The journey from corporate burnout to a purpose-driven life.
- The motivations behind embracing the digital nomad lifestyle.
- How to balance business strategy with spiritual exploration.
- Why active surrender can unlock clarity and growth.
- Tips for building a location-independent business.
Join us as we embrace authenticity, generosity, and the conscious pursuit of a more fulfilling and intentional life.
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Now I'm going to put a pin in that, because there is the external journey, which looks amazing, and then there is the internal journey, which is tumultuous, right so, externally, one day I walk into the office, our board chair sits me down and goes Dina, we think you're amazing, you're phenomenal, you're such a great asset to the company. We're going to give you a promotion. We'll pay for your attorney, we'll get you a visa sponsored. And oh, also to give you a promotion, we'll pay for your attorney, we'll get you a visa sponsored. And oh, also, here's a race. The next morning I booked my flight to vietnam. One way, this is a trip different from the from the trip I'm currently on and I handed in my resignation. That's five years ago. I had a little bit of savings. I had full.
Speaker 1:Like you can't see it, but I have full body chilled yeah, and honestly bold, so bold, even me, and you know, that's the funny thing, like people either said you're bold or they said you're crazy. There was no in between, and I didn't feel either one of these things. I just felt as though that was the only sane thing I could do. Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to Just Women Talking Shit with your host, jacqueline Cotton. Hello Hi.
Speaker 2:Hello gorgeous.
Speaker 1:How are you? I'm doing well.
Speaker 2:How are you?
Speaker 1:I'm doing great. Where in the world are you?
Speaker 2:I'm in Mississippi. What about you?
Speaker 1:I'm in Vietnam right now.
Speaker 2:Sorry, in the United States, in Mississippi, I forgot we have a world traveler here.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, that is very thoughtful of you.
Speaker 2:So we're on the opposite end of the world. You said did I hear you say Vietnam?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you did.
Speaker 2:Oh, how fucking cool.
Speaker 1:What are you doing there? I'm just living, you know, workinglooking lady, buddha and the sea.
Speaker 2:Oh, oh, my gosh. Okay, first off, gotta admit I just rolled out of bed. Don't know if you can tell, but that's happening I was on the road I was on the road all yesterday, um, but I did not want to cancel this, so it's like we're gonna fucking show up in pajamas, okay.
Speaker 1:I love it. I'm all for it. I'm wearing pjs. Good, oh, you tricked me with the top oh, I'm like, oh, zoom up top, and then it's like all casual down below oh my god, that's like become my lifestyle.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, I'm on camera, we look good up top. We're real comfy down bottom though exactly that's just that. That's a new professional outfit, right um, and I don't know how to pronounce your first name, even though it's really simple, I'm sure oh, it's just dina, like tina, except dina. Okay, I just I wanted to make sure um I appreciate and it's jacqueline right, yes I.
Speaker 2:I should have fucked with you in the wake. Uh, jacqueline, have you ever watched key and bill? I have not. All right, when we hop off. When we hop off, just look at this video, just this one. You got it. It's the, it's the classroom substitute skit, and this shit used to happen to me in class, like in high school. People would not know how to say Jacqueline it was. They'd be like call me for 10 minutes, jacqueline. I'm like, well, I'm not going to fucking raise my hand because it's not my name.
Speaker 1:That's funny.
Speaker 2:Oh God, okay, Anyway, all right, back to you, dana.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, most people have problems with my last name because it's very German and you pronounce it very German. So people are like oh, is it Wienick, Is it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just going to leave. Yeah, I didn't even want to mess with it. I was going to really mess that up. Don't worry about it, I was just going to leave. Yeah, I didn't even want to mess with it. I was like I'm going to really mess that one up, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:How cool German. Okay, all right, so I have to. I have to say I was looking over all my show notes this morning, like really early, like one o'clock in the morning, and I was reading everything to get to know you a little bit better, and I'm going to say I'm pretty fascinated. I didn't really know everything I was reading, but what I took away from it was that you travel a lot and you work for yourself, and the way I like to describe what you're doing is something that I. It's a movement that I'm personally building within my brand, and it really appears to me that you get paid to exist, and so I would love I would love to hear more about what it is you do, maybe a little bit about how you got to like where you are right now. You said you're in Vietnam, and it looks like you go all over the place and just introduce yourself to my audience.
Speaker 1:And we'll just start there. Absolutely, yeah, wow, you just kind of stunned me with your description of me, so I need a minute to digest. I have lots to say about that perspective on my lifestyle that I think is really important to hear, really important for your audience to hear. So I'll start with the easiest question why am I in Vietnam? What am I up to here?
Speaker 1:For three years now, I've been traveling perpetually as what the internet will tell you is a digital nomad. Right, professionally, I prefer the term location independent entrepreneur and we can get into why that is and how that's different and how that actually dictates what you do in your business and in your life a little bit later on. But you know, me and my partner, we just always look for the sun, water, a beach, hiking opportunities, genuine, honest spirituality and, of course, a community. And for the last few years we've just really you know in a good sense gotten stuck in Asia, especially in Southeast Asia. We actually met in Bali, so we have a very special connection to Southeast Asia as a whole, connection to Southeast Asia as a whole. And, yeah, vietnam, there was just lots of things that are really really beautiful and really convenient and accessible for us both as online business owners as well, as you know, as long-term tourists and, honestly, I forget the other question. So let's just keep the ball rolling and forgive me if you need to ask me again.
Speaker 2:No, so this show is like so off. It's so interesting when people book their interviews with me. Some people email me like, okay, is there anything I need to do to prep? And I'm like, no, just show up.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I love to do your interviews, yeah.
Speaker 2:We're going to shoot the shit. I gel with that. So, and I love that you're just like. I forgot the other question. If you want to tell, if you want to ask me again, go for it, because that's just realistic, like, especially when you get in your zone and you're talking about something. It's so. It happens to me all the time. You'll see me look off a lot and I'm just like trying to keep up with my thoughts because you get so passionate, you know, and you just kind of lose track of what you're, of what you were trying to say or what they said, and so I resonate with that tremendously, but I would say that you're so passionate that it's hard to stay Okay. But yeah, I was asking first off. So what is your? If you don't mind me asking what does your partner do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely. He's also a coach he works with, with people who are looking to get out of the corporate nine to five. And uh, he's also a tutor. He's an amazing tutor for English.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it so much. That's beautiful. Okay, so what was my question? I don't remember the rest of the question, but I'm just really curious. Like, yeah, you're, you're doing the digital. I love how you said the internet will tell you and I love that you have your other names for it. What was it? Location independent entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:Okay, we're going to give you credit for that, but I'm definitely going to say that at some point, uh, but like how there's always a story how we got here right. Oh boy, where to start? Yeah, I'm sitting here with a blanket, I'm a chronic illness baby and I struggle with my mental health and see PTSD, and I just, at a very young age, realized very quickly that my problems were a lot different than other people's problems at my age, and so I tried to fit myself into this corporate box, you know, and I try to do all the things, but in 2019, especially like I was on the verge oh, we're slipping, we. I was on the verge of um, I mean, I was just, I couldn't.
Speaker 2:I went out to work all the time, I was depressed, I was drinking a lot, like just to try to be normal and like push through the grind and go to a job that I fucking hated. And I don't mean to say I don't, I don't hate people, but at the time I despised the people I worked with, despised the people I worked with. And we are trying to be real innovative this morning on the phone and it's slipping, so we're gonna unplug it. Okay, when I say we are authentic, as fuck, we do not care around here, we get shit done, but I was just so, I was in that place. It was like my true line in the same moment for me. I me, I got fired a week before Thanksgiving, which just pissed me off, and I was like okay never going back, you know.
Speaker 1:Fine, I'm going to get out of the way. You came back on your entrepreneurial anniversary then, yeah, oh God, oh, congratulations 2019. Oh my God, holy shit, yeah, five years Right.
Speaker 2:Oh, my God Dina.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Sorry, I just didn't even realize. Yeah, my whole story is the week before Thanksgiving. I got fired. And how did I not? Okay, you just okay, I'm going to sit here with this while you tell me how you got to where you're at, because I, you kind of just blew my mind. How cool is that? This is all coming full circle.
Speaker 1:Like here I am telling the story and then you're like oh yeah, by the way, congrats yeah, I mean, it's just so it goes to say you know, so often we're in our own little zone, right, and it's like the Milky Way. We're swimming right inside the Milky Way. We have no idea what this galaxy looks like, but we know what other galaxies look like, what other galaxies wow, I can't talk anymore look like because we have a different perspective on it, right? That's the whole point. I'm sure you know this and you've thought about this a hundred times over with your clients. That's the whole point of coaching and being able to mentor someone, right. We look from the outside in and sometimes what's so glaringly obvious for us as a mentor, as a coach, you know it's just become normal everyday life and you no longer think about the profundity of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 2:So so for me now, my, your story is probably going to be different than mine, but also a little similar.
Speaker 2:I find that, as entrepreneurs have, like, our stories are so vast, so different as to why we really push through and wanted to work for ourselves and break the, I guess, disrupt what was expected of us, like the norm, right, but when I was in the thick of it just remember thinking I was never gonna get out of it, you know, but at the same, like, and you have those days where you're like the whole reason that I'm pushing through is because I'm fucking tired of this. But then you still have this day you're like and is it gonna work out? Am I gonna make it? Should I go back? And should I go back and get a nine to five or a 10 to 10 or a just I don't see daylight job like this is what it feels like. It feels like you just go and clock in and I just it wasn't for me, you know, and so. But I want to hear your story, like how the fuck did you get?
Speaker 1:to where you're at absolutely, and I'm gonna blow your mind just on the timeline of all of it 2019 was my big breaking point as well. Shut up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sorry, okay, you can go.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to sit here, so I'm painting the picture right. 10 years prior, to, so 2009,. Somewhere around there, I had decided I would live and work and love in Los Angeles one day. Well, fast forward to 2019, I was doing exactly that. I was in a relationship, driving a cute car, having the perfect job in my dream city, and I felt like shit. It just felt like an utter nightmare and I was like where is it? Where is the dream? Where is the dream Right? And I want to highlight a few things here for those who are listening who are like oh my gosh, that's me right now. How the F? Did you get out of that?
Speaker 1:The first thing that I think you and I both did that's really important to do, and it seems so simple, is you have to acknowledge that you're not happy, and that takes guts, right, because you're supposed to be happy. You live in this beautiful city, right, people come and visit you and you show them around and you go to concerts at disney concert hall and you wake up and you dread the commutes to work and you dread having to walk into the office and you don't like your boss and you don't agree with the leadership. And then me being European, you know, I come from a culture where we have like a month plus paid vacation every year. And then I settled into work life in America and they were like, oh, here is your 12 days of vacation a year and you only get to accrue one day per month. I was like that makes no sense, like I just refused to logically understand what was happening. It made no sense. The environment I was in the leadership, I was in the contract I had signed. I was like that's not it, that can't be my life. And lo and behold, I looked around and I looked at my boss's lives, the conversations they were having with the board, the salaries they were getting.
Speaker 1:And I worked in nonprofit. I worked for orchestra management, specifically in community engagement and fundraising. So I had a lot of again, a lot of experience communicating with people, building communities, you know, like building an audience, develop well, developing an audience and then, of course, also building for our founders a pipeline right In online business. We call it a client journey, right. So I gained a lot of really amazing and transferable skills. I just didn't know I was going to be applying them in a field entirely different from the arts, right.
Speaker 1:But there came a day when I had just about filled maybe two or three journals about how I want to live, how I want to travel more, how I don't want to wait until the end of my days, until I'm 60, 65 and retired to travel. I was like that none of this makes sense. There has to be another way to go through life. People say I'm successful, but I do not feel successful. What if I actually trusted my heart and my gut? Now I'm going to put a pin in that, because there is the external journey, which looks amazing, and then there is the internal journey, which is tumultuous, right.
Speaker 1:So, externally, one day I walk into the office, our board chair sits me down and goes Dina, we think you're amazing, you're phenomenal. You're such a great asset to the company, we're going to give you a promotion. We'll pay for your attorney, we'll get you a visa sponsored. Will get you a visa sponsored and oh, also, here's a raise. The next morning I booked my flight to Vietnam. One way, this is a trip different from the trip I'm currently on, and I handed in my resignation. That's five years ago. I had a little bit of savings.
Speaker 2:I have full. Like you can't see it, but I have full body chilled.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and honestly, bold, so bold. And you know, that's the funny thing, like people either said you're bold or they said you're crazy. There was no in between and I didn't feel either one of these things. I just felt as though that was the only sane thing I could do. You know what I mean it? Just like it came out of me that like no, I'm going to hand on my resignation, I'm going to travel.
Speaker 1:Logically, it made no sense. My mom was really upset because you know, like a lot of money has gone into my education, right? And then she wanted me to succeed and she didn't understand that I was beginning to have a different idea of what success could mean and look like for me than the traditional success path. Right, go to college, get a job, retire. I was like no, when I live before retirement, how do I do that? Right? So I traveled and I backpacked. I had some savings and I had this crazy idea like, oh yeah, wait a minute. I went to college for entrepreneurship. I've been supporting musicians with turning their entrepreneurial ideas into viable businesses, either for profit or non-profit, for years. Now I'm going to set up my own business and my business plan is I help people. Quite elaborate, right.
Speaker 1:So the long story short on the external journey is you know I started freelancing a lot. I love how you're cracking up. Journey is, you know I started freelancing a lot, I love how you're cracking up. It was funny Like I was just so fresh out of shits to give it that moment. Right, like for years, for three decades, I'd been doing exactly what either I was told to do, what would make me look really good on paper, or what I knew would get me validation and approval from either my mom or my dad. I was just sick of it. I was tired of it, right. So a business plan that said I help people, that seemed perfectly fine for me, right? Type A person turned completely rogue. That just made perfect sense for me at the time.
Speaker 1:And the long story short is I began to freelance a lot. There were a lot of odd jobs in like Strasbourg, france and in the north of Germany that I did running workshops and orchestras and all kinds of conferences before I started training as a professional coach with a focus on spiritual psychology. And well, I thought it would be really easy. And this is what I really want to take the audience away. Is you know like I'm laughing through this story, right, like, oh, all I did was change my definition of success. And now here I am, six-figure business owner and I can work from anywhere.
Speaker 1:Well, but I just said two really important terms, and those are, you know, a need for validation and approval, and those years 2019. Until you know, maybe a year or so ago, I needed to really dive deep into my relationship with myself and look at, well, who am I, what are the situations, what are the relationships, the situations that have made me who I am today, the situations that have made me who I am today? And are all of the narratives that I'm telling myself and others about myself really and truly empowering or are they harboring resentment? Are they harboring a lack of forgiveness, grudges, disempowering stories? Right? So, you know, while a whole big chapter of resume success ended in 2019, a huge chapter of you know what I now call, in my business way of the founder, the inner journey, the inner exploration commenced.
Speaker 1:And you know, the business piece is easy Figuring out how to market and how to sell your services, how to put your products together. That's easy compared to figuring out who you are and then learning to differentiate between. Are you building a business from fear and from a need for validation, or are you building a business from love and from a sense of purpose? I've both, I like. I like this. The second option better, but it's harder to get to.
Speaker 2:I'll say that oh shit, a lot, a lot of stuff on me trying to wrap my brain around it. Um, because there are some really interesting similarities and you being spiritual and me being spiritual, we both know that's not a coincidence, like we're all connected, right. And so I find when I hop on podcasts, there's typically a reason that the guest was brought to me, they felt led to book with me, right. And I'm at a. I'm at a cycle or a season of my life right now, as you just made me realize, I just five years.
Speaker 2:I literally just went through my anniversary of being a, I guess, a full-time entrepreneur for about five years Now I have had like um, let's say, for instance, in May this year, I so about almost three of those years I had like a job where I was. It was like a more contract job, but I was still getting paid hourly. So I told myself.
Speaker 2:I tricked my brain. I was like we're not working for the man, you're still in control of your time. But what did I do? I'd let myself get back in that um prison of trading time for money, right, and I took a job that was going to require me to show up more. I was going to get like consistent pay, but I was still going to be capped. And so what's so interesting is I decided in May of this year I was like no, no, like I'm going to even admit to people that I think I've fallen into a job again.
Speaker 1:What the?
Speaker 2:fuck do I do to a job again? What the fuck do I do like? And I just realized that I had been, in a sense, as you said, building from fear, not from love, and I noticed myself slipping and my mental health was getting really bad and I like just broke down to my husband one day. So I think it was, um, I don't know, it was like two, maybe three months before that and and we like had a discussion prior to that saying that if, if I wasn't happy and we could make it financially make sense, that, uh, I was going to get to quit by that summer.
Speaker 2:It was not happening, it was not financially making sense, um, but I was really struggling, like I was really struggling, like I was fucking struggling 180 pounds, I'm 5'1" and I just I was able to identify like I'm just not happy, and it was really hard to come out and tell my husband like I'm not happy, I'm literally thinking, like I contemplate, not wanting to exist, I'm scared that I'm have to like check myself into a mental hospital soon so that one I could feel like you know, I'm not making life at home miserable, because I could be passive, aggressive when I'm not happy. And it was like just this whole. I was going through a lot of shit that I'd already experienced before 2019 and it was almost like the universe. Now it is the universe, it was god and source, and my whole whatever galactic team behind me prepared me for the success that I just experienced last week. So, dana, when I say that you telling me like five years, that kind of just yeah, because I didn't I've been in my own bubble working so hard at this, failing miserably.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Tearing myself apart to like breaking myself apart to rebuild Right. Um, I've had two retreats throughout this like, and I'm on my third retreat this upcoming year. Anyway, it's been such an evolution Like. I pivoted, I've done so many wild things. I'm like my husband I can tell the other day, whenever I finally was able to show him that I made eight thousand dollars cash, he was yeah, he was finally just. I could see that he was like, oh, thank god she wasn't fucking around. She's been saying this for a minute, but like, oh, it's finally starting to pay off. Like me, being patient and supportive is starting to pay off. And you've just said some things that have made me realize that literally everything I've experienced, every job that I fucking hated the bosses, that I hated the conversations I would listen to, that I was just like I could fucking do that why, am I getting paid this?
Speaker 2:why am I building and lining their pockets when I'm the fucking genius? That's how I always felt at every job. Yeah, and it's just like anyway. So I've for the five years I've had some moments where I've done really well, but I was always going it's just all right up and it was like, but more down here, and then everyone in the while up here, so like I felt like you know, people know me for my authenticity and for always keeping it real and for just being who I like. I want to get paid, to exist right, and so I've. I really want people to. I guess take away from what I'm about to say is that it all comes full circle.
Speaker 1:I just realized yeah how full circle it comes, because you were saying, like you know, I was doing all these things in my profession, never thought it would be something that I'm using in my coaching business, so like, yeah, and, and you know, my first clients, every single one, my first clients I had met years prior to when I launched my business officially at conferences, at jobs, at internships, even in class back in college, right, and so there's, there's sort of two things that I want to reflect back to you on this. Right One is faith. Right One is faith and one is surrender, and surrender oftentimes gets misconstrued, as you know passiveness, like you just sit and you wait for things to happen. No, you have to surrender to what's present. Right, you have to surrender to the feelings that come up and actually allow yourself to feel those feelings so that the information inside those feelings can come forth. Well, that's really fucking active Hold on hold on.
Speaker 2:I'm like hands are standing up on my arms because there's information inside those feelings and I've never heard somebody say that and it just is one of those things that like I'm going to take with me to the grave, because I say that your feelings are feedback, but like we hide from them.
Speaker 1:Well, we do because we're scared what the feelings will pun intended make us feel like, right, it's like, oh, what if this? And you know I say this from I say this with a lot of compassion to my, you know, 18, 19 year old self. Right, I walked through life entirely numbed out. Why? Because I didn't want to think about, you know, certain aspects of my past I didn't want to think about. You know, certain aspects of my past I didn't want to think about. You know, the time when my grandma passed, when I was six years old, the time when I had to, you know, hire an attorney and face my dad in court at 12 years old and again at 17 years old. Right, and to think fast forward that years later now I have a beautiful relationship with my dad, right, that didn't happen because I stayed numb. That forgiveness, that reconciling a relationship that was frankly in shambles for many years, didn't happen because I pushed away the emotions. Right, eventually it just made more sense to let them back in. Right, and you're right, I agree with that.
Speaker 1:Feelings do have that. They come with feedback, they also come with guidance and I always say, you know, the anticipation of feeling, the feeling is much harder than actually feeling the feeling right. And you know, I have my private clients go through like journaling exercises, through drawing exercises, to get into a relationship with their emotions, right, sometimes we're so numb we can't even name the feeling that we experience right. And oftentimes you hear that when people say things like I feel like I've been done wrong, I feel like I was right in that situation, those aren't feelings, those are thoughts, right, those are narratives that you're telling. Those aren't. Typically when you say I feel what comes after, that is not a feeling right. But I am angry, that's a feeling. I feel hurt, that's a feeling. I'm in pain. That's a feeling. I feel disappointed. That's a feeling right, if we can let that in. And you know, again, I call this the inner journey because oftentimes, especially these days, I won't name the event but post something that happened earlier in November in the United States.
Speaker 1:A lot of companies have come out with things like oh, travel, travel to escape. Here's a four-year-long cruise to escape, the next four years in the United States. A lot of colleagues who also support digital nomads and location-independent entrepreneurs have promoted their courses under the slogan of now is the time to become a nomad. Wait a minute. I do agree with the fact that now is the time to become an entrepreneur, but not to escape what's going on in the world, but to face it. To face it and to affect change, to turn the little community that we all have as entrepreneurs even, as you know, employees the community help turn the community away from hate and back towards love. Employees the community help turn the community away from hate and back towards love. Help introduce forgiveness where there was resentment. But in order to be able to lead that way, we have to do the inner work right.
Speaker 1:So back to your point earlier about um, you feel as though I get paid to exist. I sign the most aligned, the most beautiful, the most fantastic, the most lovable clients when I show up exactly as who I am, without trying to impress anybody. But the kicker is, I spent two and a half decades showing up hoping to impress people. You see the conundrum right. You see the healing that had to happen in order to get to that point, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, yes, dana, Holy fuck. And that's kind of where I was headed Like. None of the jobs, none of the experiences. And I'm going to walk you through my resume real quick, okay, and you're gonna be like wow, bitch.
Speaker 2:I got whiplash Okay, I was always so. I think it started whenever I was a little girl and I remember being in the fourth grade and we went to like a summer program and there were these two boys. I liked one of the boys His name was Andrew and his brother was a dick and there was this like we were doing this whole exercise of what we wanted to be when we grow up and I wrote Andrew psychiatrist and I'll never forget that. The kid made fun of me and so it instilled shame and so ever since then I have not known what I want to be when I grow up, Right? So I wanted to be a therapist. I didn't know what a psychiatrist was, Right. I didn't know the like, the difference in credentials and schooling and all that I just know. I wanted to help people.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I wanted to be a pediatrician for a while. I got to high school and told my now again, I come from a family that love drugs, teen pregnancy, people die very young, and so I wanted, I didn't want to be another statistic, so, but I didn't know anything. Because of that, I, like I, was, I think, maybe the first to graduate high school. Like I was, I'm breaking a lot of generational curses, Right. And so I remember thinking I really want to go and help people. You know, I didn't know anything about the college application process or that I should have been taking tests and applying like junior year, and but I went to my what are they called? Guidance counselors supposed to guide us? Right. And again I was shame, shame, shame, shame, because I wanted to go and help people in science, but I didn't know about I should have been prepping for this. So, anyway, I'd won a poetry contest, put myself out there, won the poetry contest, and whenever I told my guidance counselor that I wanted to go to school to be, you know, like a pediatrician, he was just like, yeah, but aren't you that girl that won the poetry contest? So I just kept finding myself in this. What the fuck am I supposed to do Right?
Speaker 2:So even as a teenager, like I remember, my first business was I was eight years old and I bought my mom a pair of earrings. I started like a little Kool-Aid stand People call them lemonade stands but and it's been this journey, and then by 12, yeah, by 12, I was babysitting. I had like a babysitting business and I was cleaning houses and I was always finding ways to make my own money, right, anywho. So I've had all these jobs right, I've worked in. There was a time whenever I worked, um, in a like I went for a day or two to work in a factory and it was pretty much like a fucking sweatshop. I have been a webcam model. I have, uh, I guess it's sex work really. Um, uh, I have. I've done everything from fucking clean toilets to wipe buttholes, to change diapers, to. I've built shelves in department stores. I have, oh my God, I don't even fucking know what all I've done. I've done some wild shit. I've done some wild shit for money to try to figure out, but I landed in corporate America. You know, I've done all the traditional like all the stuff that I think a lot of us do, like wait tables and right, trying to figure out what the fuck we're supposed to do.
Speaker 2:And in all of it I realized that I was marketing myself and it was yeah, whenever my daughter. So I became a mom at 23, 24 and I was introduced to and they got me. It was like that. It was when MLMs and network marketing companies were becoming like the thing, yep, and they were disguising it. You know, they were like disguising it, like, oh, we'll help you build your team, and I was like, okay, yeah, my mom, who needs money, and anyway. So so I got into the MLM world, started learning a little bit about marketing and I realized very quickly that everybody needs it. Everybody needs it, every business needs it. We're all marketing ourselves on a daily basis and anyway.
Speaker 2:So between then and the next few years, I became homeless with my daughter and I decided that I was just going to figure out a fucking way. I didn't know what was going to happen, but the next several years were me in and out of MLMs, me in and out of jobs that I hated, me becoming a sugar baby to try to support my daughter, me putting myself in situations that I was just trying to get paid to exist, right, and I still didn't know what I wanted to be when I grew up. So I've sold cars, I've I've done the wildest things and I realized the other day, once I started operating out of fear and I was like I finally owned my shit, because it literally Dina just a few weeks ago, wonder what I was. A spiritual life coach, okay, but, but.
Speaker 2:But everybody keeps coming to me for business because they're like you're just so amazing and you market yourself in a way that is just so authentic and I fucking love you from the moment I see you. So how can you teach me how to do that? And it all came full circle as I'm sitting there helping people get approved for financing to work with me. Oh, I learned this in the car field. No way, look at you. Financing, oh, customer service oh, I learned that when I sold, uh, hats for hat country in Pennsylvania in a lady's basement. Oh, nurturing well, I did spend about 10 years in childcare, know how to nurture people, and so what I'm saying is you're talking about people.
Speaker 2:Think that there's this overnight success with people like us On paper. Yeah, for me too in Mississippi, where we don't get paid a lot, where the obesity rate and like just people laugh at our state. I'll be real, okay, and in Mississippi we got to fucking get it together y'all, but it's a big deal for a little woman like me with social anxiety, mental illness. I'm like the disruptor, you know, like I don't fit the mold. I don't go to church. I'm not a carbon copy. People either love me or they hate me, and I know a lot of people talk about me, especially having a podcast that literally calls us out and like the I mean it's called just women talking shit. That in itself pisses people off, right, but it's so beautiful hearing you tell your story, because that's the part that everybody wants to rush. And I'm like you're literally in. You're in the years right now where you really need to be just letting it happen, being okay with failing, figuring out what it is.
Speaker 2:I'm supposed to learn from this, because when I sat there and I fucking cried my eyes out, dina, and I know it's not even a lot of money I know I'm about to make a lot more right, a lot more, but getting to the point of figuring out how to do it that, because once the money hit the account, nothing changed, nothing, fucking changed.
Speaker 1:The same person. You still have the same values.
Speaker 2:But it was the journey getting there. So can we speak a little bit more on that? Because I tell people, give yourself fucking grace, you gonna miss these years, you're gonna miss the grind, you're gonna miss the hustle, because I that's when you meet people like you, that's when you that's when you're really evolving and figuring out. And then, like you said, the business part's easy once you own who the fuck you are and you're like oh, I've arrived, I've been here the whole time, I'm just owning it. You become a magnet for the business. It just yeah.
Speaker 1:So you do. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:I just want to say I'm really inspired by your resilience thank you, babe, thank you and and I know you mean that, uh, you're gonna make me emotional, because I just, again, we, we both know this conversation is not a coincidence, right, and it just, and so you were placed in my life, even if it's just to say something like that, and it just, those little things keep me going and so, oh man, thank Just, thank you and whatever else you're about to say, I'm just going to sit here and be quiet.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it really comes from the bottom of my heart and I believe that, you know, in life we all put through our own version of trauma, right? And no one's trauma is less important than another person's trauma, right, because it's just, it's significant to the person's personality and life all the same, right? And I kind of hate when people sit and compare their traumas and like, oh yeah, but you've had it so much. But anyway, that's a segue. I'm not going to go down, not in this particular conversation, but, let it be known, it's not a very productive conversation to be had, in my humble opinion. Now I'm going to push back on one thing that you said, which is that you're going to miss the years of hustle and grind. I don't think I'm going to miss them.
Speaker 1:However, I'm okay with that pushback, for sure so here's a distinction I will make is that those who somehow have managed to escape the years of hustle and grind, those are going to be the people who'll miss it, because there are some really significant life lessons that we learned. They're like hustle and grind and sadly, some people never get out of it right. Just the other day, my dad called me, and when I first moved to Bali, this was years ago, this is like three years ago I moved to Bali. I call my dad. I'm like no, I'm not going to Mexico, I'm going to Bali. Had a dream about Bali, just booked my flight and he goes. Oh, actually, my deputy travels to Bali every single year doing summer vacation. I can put you guys in touch. So great, fantastic. I met my dad's deputy in Bali and he was telling me how, when he retires once he retires five years from now he would be selling everything in Germany and moving to Bali to buy a house there and just live out retirement in Bali.
Speaker 1:Just a few weeks ago, my dad called me with really, really sad news that this very person has leukemia, can't travel anymore, needs the medical care that's available for him in Germany. Dream gone, it's gone. It's always going to be a dream for him. And I'm tearing up just talking about it because I'm so sad for him. Right, I'm so sad for him and a lot of us, you and I we've gotten out of that. Oh, like, once I retire, then I'll be able to. Right, I have to hustle and grind until I have enough money. Right, you and I at some point woke up to that being a lie, at the very least, to that being no longer the default truth. Not in the societies that you and I grew up in, respectively. Right, in my mom's society, who grew up in the former East Germany, yeah, entrepreneurship probably not a good idea in that country back then. Right In today's Germany, well, the state still doesn't support innovation Again, a different conversation but it's legally allowed and thus encouraged. And thus, moment, because that's where all of the signs are at, that's where all of the guidance is, that's where all of the feedback is right.
Speaker 1:And so often and I offer this reframe in my coaching practice when we grind, we do so that we can have, so that we can be, we do the work so we can have enough money, so that we can be generous. Well, in order to get out of the grind or to stay in the grind and make good use of it. Right, we have to flip it and we have to look at how. Can I be a generous person today? Can I donate a dollar? Yes. Can I spend an extra 30 minutes without charging for it? Yes. Can I hold the door open? Yes. Great, fantastic. I can be a generous person without doing anything else, without having anything more From that place.
Speaker 1:Now, however, I'm going to begin to have more things, more of the things that are more aligned with me, because I'm sending a different energy out into the universe. I'm saying to life hey, I'm ready for change, I'm ready to expand, I'm ready to grow into who I'm meant to be. Show me the way. I'm not sitting around waiting for it. I'm not hustling to the point where I can no longer recognize the signs. Right, I'm slowing down. Right, and that's the other concept that I'll offer. Here is one flip it right. Flip the do have be to the be have do, because when we change how we relate to life, automatically the actions that we take will yield a different result, because we'll show up differently to those actions. Right, that's the one concept. The other concept is slowing down to speed up, and here's the analogy I always give A year ago, I picked up my boyfriend from the airport in Berlin because we were on different travel itineraries.
Speaker 1:I had to go to Germany sooner. Picked him up from the airport, drove down the highway in Germany hadn't been there for a while at 180 kilometers an hour. I'm having fun, I miss this. And he takes photos of everything that's going on left and right and shows me the footage a day later. I'm like I've never seen this part of Germany, even though I've driven through it like a maniac a hundred times over. Well, maybe if I had slowed down, I would have been able to see the bird, I would have seen the beautiful forest, I would have seen the great mural that's on the side of the highway. Now I don't miss exits, but maybe I had not missed the proverbial exit, which would have been a shortcut to the destination I was meant to go to, or I was meaning to go to.
Speaker 1:Rather right, take that analogy and translate it and apply it to your life. Where are you rushing through life not realizing that you just had the conversation that's going to change your life? Where are you rushing through life looking for job opportunities without realizing that you just talked to a headhunter Right. Where are you out there on social media trying to find the ideal client, becoming a content creator, when really your zone of genius is that of being a coach, a mentor and a guide, and you could just have a conversation with the five people that you texted with last week. I don't allow my clients who are building businesses to get on social media until they have five clients. I just don't think it's worth their time to figure out brand colors and fonts and content pillars and all of that. Like that's important. So I took what you said. I went a little off tangent and now we're back here. Go ahead respond.
Speaker 2:You're okay. Yeah, no, I love that you challenged that because it makes me realize that maybe I need to, because I agree with what you say. And there's this whole hustle culture and grind culture, and I think more so, maybe it's just people want it so badly, you know, and so they think, think that staying and I'm guilty, like super guilty, thinking that staying busy and working towards it is going to speed it up, but it doesn't. It's more about those very laser focused, intentional tasks, right and and inspired action and just like I call it, like flirting with the universe, like you know, putting a question out there and just see it like you were talking about.
Speaker 2:You know you could be a conversation away from changing your life. You really could. But are we putting ourselves out there to even have the fucking conversation? Like I tell my clients too, like conversations lead to conversions, right, like, so we have to have the conversations, but thank you for pushing back on that, because that's yeah, that's not, uh, fully what I meant and you reframing it that way makes me want to tell my audience that because you don't, you do not have to like do the whole push through, I'm not going to say that you will never push through. There are moments like you have to be able Absolutely.
Speaker 1:It takes a lot of momentum and fuel to get a plane off the ground while your business is the plane, one hundred percent. You have to work really hard. Even you know, like most of the people I work with, they're like I want to have more white space in my calendar, right, like, help me figure out how to make really good money without having to trade in all of my time for that, right? Well, great, so if that's the North Star, we can get you there within a year. But that doesn't mean the next year is going to have you launching by the beach sipping coconuts while money is flowing in. No, you have to build the system. You have to build the plane. Then you have to learn how to fly it and get it off the ground. Absolutely, that's going to be long hours. That's going to be. If you're already traveling, you're going to be burning the candle on both ends. Right?
Speaker 1:I had a call this morning at eight. It's 10.30 PM. Right now, I have a call in the morning at 7.30. Is that my ideal schedule? Absolutely not. Why do I do it? I'm very intentional about the goals that I'm pursuing right now. Right, so, right now, I'm building a plane. Right, one plane is built and up in the air. I'm building another plane for my business right now. I'm choosing to go into a bit of overdrive, right, so I'm glad you said that too. I find that you know, like lately and we're beginning to dial back on that a little bit but for a while there, the internet became full of oh. You just have to sit and meditate and your ideal life will be manifested for you. And yeah, well, if, but only if, you get out of lotus pose and get your ass moving you know, oh, my god, that's so fucking good.
Speaker 2:all right, so note to sell jacqueline. That's gonna be a quote card and a snippet for the intro. You gotta get out of lotus pose because it is the universe likes for you to make the first move and like, like you were saying, surrendering is not sitting around with your crystals going. Okay, I'm going to manifest, like. I'm going to give you a quick example I have my retreat, I'm on your number three and I still have this one client that always every fucking years goes. Yeah, I'm working on manifesting that. No, like, make, make the first payment and allow yourself to get excited about that and we'll figure out how to make the next payment, you know what I mean, and it's not a sense of like.
Speaker 2:When you know what you bring to the table, you know that the investment is worth it. But sometimes people don't see that investment in themselves yet, because they do want that quick, that quick action. And something I want to circle back on, because you said it earlier that you wouldn't be where you are if you didn't feel through your feelings, meaning like you were trying to numb them for so long, and that's like y'all. That is. The most important component is allowing yourself to feel it, because it's almost like you know, everybody wants to speed up the process and it's like the process can be sped up if you will allow yourself to yeah to do, like actually do the work.
Speaker 2:And the work is not easy. The work can. It's not. It's not that it's not simple, it's just not like it's gonna. You're gonna have to feel some things, like you were saying, yeah, but getting out of that habit of numbing yourself allowed you to see all the signs and see all the things and but you didn't sit around and just say I'm gonna manifest it, that's what I love, because somebody that is, that's what the internet is still. They're still saying that, by the way flow and I try to maybe I just tricked the algorithm, you dragged it.
Speaker 2:They're still saying it though. Uh, because it's all about this flow thing and yeah, and I teach that you can have flow like, but so, and you should, because you can with automation, with systems, but, like you were saying, who's gonna set the systems up? Who's gonna right like? And it takes trial and error, it takes testing offers, it takes all these things and collecting data in order to get to that point where you get paid to exist. So I just this has been so good I don't remember what I was going to say, but it's been so good and I just can't help but feel like, can I just offer one final response on that, real quick.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll keep it short. I know we're coming up on time here. But in response to what you said, right, like surrendering to your feelings, recognizing that, you know, manifestation requires momentum, which you have to activate, which the universe isn't going to do shit for you. On my company is called Way of the Founder. Right, not the way, way of the Founder. I, you know, slap my boyfriend's wrist for that every time he says the way. But there is a point that he has, actually, which I want to bring up.
Speaker 1:Right, like founders, entrepreneurs, business owners, it's really easy for all of us in this day and age to look at social media, even just type it into chat, gpt, and come up with a list of things that you need to be doing in order to grow your business, which means that you end up following someone else's blueprint. You follow someone else's three-step process, three-step formula, whatever people call it right. And you know, I like to sort of, you know, liken that to how you just follow, how you just put on the clothes that your mom puts out for you the night before you have to wake up in the morning to go to school. Right, you don't think about it, you just do it. But does it work for you? Is it your style Right? Does the shoe fit work for you? Is it your style Right? Does the shoe fit Right? And I really want to be a voice for the more you surrender, in an active sense, the way we've been talking about, the more you'll figure out exactly what the structure of your business is supposed to look like. The more you'll figure out who you want to be talking to, the more you'll figure out what the connection is, what the story is that has created the business that you now run. Right, and the more you can figure out the story, the more, of course, you can connect to the clients that are meant to be working with you. Right, so you're beginning to see a pattern.
Speaker 1:Right, you have to go on that inner journey, explore yourself before you can lead way beyond everything that you've been doing so far. Right, so you have to do it your way, and that means trial and error, and that means a lot of active experimentation, a lot of you know. Let's set up the funnel. Oh, shit, like let's. Let's set up the funnel again. Let's hire oh, that wasn't the right team member. Let's hire again. Let's figure out how to do interviews better. Right, it's very active, but it's all from a place of.
Speaker 1:This is my purpose. I love myself, I can validate my own feelings, I can validate my own actions, and I'm doing this because I have a big vision, not because I hope that maybe, perhaps because I do this, my dad and my mom will love me more. You have to give yourself that love. You have to give yourself that validation, that approval, that like hey, hey, dina, I care for you. Right, I love you and I care for you and we're going to do this our way and it's going to be phenomenal. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2:It's absolutely incredible, like it just I keep circling back to this, but it just does not feel like this conversation is coincidental at all because I don't know Every everything about this conversation, for me personally, has been magical. Like I'd say that when I get activated, I get like really bad chill bumps all over my body, goosebumps, right. So when I get goosebumps all over my body, I'm like, yeah, it's In that moment. I'm like I know I'm exactly where I need to be having this conversation, receiving this information as confirmation, like all these weird things.
Speaker 1:So now I'm with you. I try to put my words when I get activated like that. You just heard me do that.
Speaker 2:It just it happens Like you're in, it's so interesting, you're in your flow and it's almost like you just kind of tap out, like people will tell me, like when I'm speaking or teaching man, you were doing this, this, this, and I'm like.
Speaker 2:It's kind of like when I perform, because I'm a musician, I'm a musician, a singer, songwriter too, and I did that professionally for years and again I've done everything Right. So, but like you kind of, when you're, when you're so passionate about something and inflow, it's almost like you, I just connect and it's like a spiritual experience almost, um, but I just I just have to close this up with saying that, um, this entire conversation, the theme has felt like to me that the whole you said it's like an active surrender, or you said surrender in an active sense and that's something that I have struggled with for a very long time is surrendering, because we as humans, for whatever reason it's so funny we want to control everything, everything right, how we're going to get the outcome, everything, and so it was really a uh, I think a like a moment where the timeline kind of collapsed, when I was just like I'm just gonna fail as fast as I can. I don't fucking know what's gonna happen. I'm gonna figure out what I'm good at, like. What are people responding to?
Speaker 2:Right, because yeah, I. I like I thought I'd just be doing something, but all the breadcrumbs that the universe is leaving behind are leading me down a different path and it's like the money I thought I would make doing this. Actually, when I pivoted, it came so easily. But but had I not been okay with like this whole fucking it up and just being me and figuring out like who my people are, would we be here?
Speaker 1:probably not so I love what you just said. That's gonna be my quote. I'm gonna fail as fast as I can yeah, like, why not?
Speaker 2:and you're. What's so funny is, after this conversation, you're gonna hear that probably 10 more times within the next week, because yesterday on my road trip home I was driving there are. So you talking about, uh, like, being super passionate and how you attract clients. Pretty much inevitably, now getting paid to exist is because you have tapped into your I call it like a signature energetic footprint. Right, like we all have this signature energetic footprint that nobody can replicate, but we go around trying to replicate everybody else's footprint, trying to be like them. Whenever you finally own it and you master it and you're just like weird as fuck. Yeah, you do, you become a magnet, but like, what about all the shit that dina had to go through to own that? Right, and that's what people really pay for at the end of the day is you, and that's why, yeah, I believe you get paid for.
Speaker 1:All of you, not the polished, you not the perfect, not.
Speaker 2:Thank you for real you the real, yeah, yeah, and the one that, oh, full body chills again, oh my god. So if you're not, if you're not making six figures in your business yet, or you're feeling like really fucking down right now, um, I want to close it out with and I'm going to let you have the final word and share where I can find you and work with you. But it just it's. And tell me if you agree with this. It just it seems like, oh my God, I just lost my thought.
Speaker 1:Hold on You're not making six figures yet.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Oh, it doesn't fucking matter. It doesn't matter that you don't have the money to show the screenshots. What matters is that and this is where things changed for me and tell me if you agree with this. What matters is so, for instance, if you're on the road, oops, okay, we're back. What matters is, if this is what I meant by you're gonna miss the hustle, you're gonna miss the grind. That just equates to it, just equates to the inner journey, meaning that you're gonna miss the discovery process of how you got to that six figures. Cause when you get to the money and that's what I realized that's that. And I cried. I was like Holy fucking shit, I've never made this much. And it wasn't sales with cash, Cause there's a difference.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And I sat with it and I was just like Holy fucking shit. And then I was like, okay, let's go do it again, because I figured it out, but it was. I couldn't have figured it out and I wouldn't be where I am if I didn't lean into that journey of failing and fucking it up. And so it's just like, even if you're not there yet, what is important is that you document and you bring people on the journey. And I noticed that when I brought people on my journey, my inner journey, and I was like you know what? Y'all? I suffer from mental illness. I'm a crazy bitch, okay, but I want to make some money and on my good days I'm going to make some money.
Speaker 2:And when I started sharing my life and my thoughts and my heart and what I was struggling with, people started to find me. Yeah, and it sounds like and that's what's so cool is like your story is so different, but in a sense it's the same Like we've all we've. You've been through such a struggle to get to this point and it's fucking gorgeous. You're such a beautiful person. This has been so good, so good and so weird, in a sense, because our conversation has given me. Does this happen to you you talk with somebody and you're like thank you universe. I asked for confirmation, thank you. I didn't know how it was going to come to me, but there it is.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and, by the way, to those who are like I don't know what the fuck these ladies are talking about, slow the fuck down, because we all have those experiences and we just need to learn to recognize them and and receive that, receive the guidance. And this is not some woo-woo shit, right, it's just basic gut instinct and and we've we've been taught to to forget about what our gut feeling feels like. We have to retrain ourselves and relearn what our intuition sounds and feels like, and it's just that right. And it really starts with you need to slow the fuck down and listen to what's going on around you. So, yes, my dear, I have had those experiences many times. I have them regularly to regularly ask for them too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, did you say you asked for them? Of course, yes, thank God, that's so good. Ask for the guidance. Yeah, we like oh, my God, I got to, I got to quit. We're going to have to have another episode at some point or just get together and chat, because you're you really are. You're incredible, incredible, incredible, and I want people to be able to find you. So, if you will tell them where to find you, how to work with you, if you have anything coming up, anything like that, because this will be out in the internet world forever and I want them to be able to work with you whenever it feels good for them.
Speaker 1:Yes, absolutely so. Way of the Founder is how you can find me. It's my blog, it's my newsletter wayofthefoundercom you can find me for like daily updates about my ups and downs and all the fun things that I do in business and life at underscore wayofthefounder on Instagram. Quite active there. I always have things coming out Always, always, always. Because even though I'm focusing on all location independent entrepreneurs within that journey, there are many problems that need to be solved. So the best way to stay connected, to figure out how you can work with me, is to follow me on Instagram, get on my newsletter.
Speaker 1:I do have a free masterclass for those who are ready to you know, ready to go for it and ready to build a business that's based on authenticity and freedom. I have a free masterclass. It's on my website, wayofthefoundercom forward slash masterclass. So lots of ways to get into my universe, lots of ways to work with me, and if you have any questions, you know DMs are always open. Inbox is always not overfilled, so you should be able to reach me there as well, and I do love hearing from everybody who reaches out. So that's that's a very warm welcome to do that.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you again. So much, dana, I value our conversation.
Speaker 1:This has been really, really beautiful. I really appreciate you and the conversation it's yeah, it's been special. Thank you, my dear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, thank you so much, and I'm having a moment where I'm remembering how we got connected and I want to say we probably got connected through a newsletter. Yeah, I think it was. I think that's how you found me, was it like through a newsletter?
Speaker 2:I don't know, I just get connected to people, okay, well what was funny was I think you messaged me on Instagram and you said something frequency or no you said freedom. That's what it was. You said freedom and what happened was is it many child went crazy. That went crazy. I was like you want to sign up for the freedom frequency? Okay, what is so funny? Like, let's sit here with this for a second. The freedom frequency was for women who wanted to learn to get paid to exist, and here we are talking about that. Like it's just so funny that you're that. It's just weird. It's I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2:I love it yeah it's really funny yeah, I I.
Speaker 1:I had a good laugh when many chat started responding to my word freedom. I was like that is definitely a conversation meant to be right and I finally wrote you back.
Speaker 2:You were like I'm following up on this. I didn't want to book a call with you, or you know I was. I went back and I read and I was like I don't remember this woman and it made all the chat box conversation well anyway, systems and automations work they work. Yeah and it oh. It was a lesson for me. That day too, I had to go back and change some things so that it recognizes not just that word but like just that word as a single message yeah, so it was a learning experience.
Speaker 2:See guys, fuck it up. It's okay, it's okay exactly all right, dina, have a beautiful. Is it at night time there? Well, good night then. I was going to say, have a beautiful day on purpose.
Speaker 1:Have a beautiful rest of your day.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Yeah, I'm just getting started, but sleep well and I'll talk to you soon. Thank you again. So much. Talk to you soon.
Speaker 1:Thank you, take care, bye-bye.
Speaker 2:You too. Bye, and that's a wrap. If please, be sure to just take a moment to screenshot this episode and tag Jacqueline Cotton and Just Women Talking Shit in your stories. It's been so wonderful shooting the shit with you today. Don't forget to leave a review on Spotify and Apple Podcasts Until next time. It's been real, it's been fun, it's been real fun and I'll see you later.
