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Ep 92: Revolutionizing Matchmaking: Personal Growth, Modern Dating Challenges, and Building a Community with Matchmakers Christelle Prater and Keyoka "Koko" Russo
Christelle Prater and Keyoka "Koko" Russo share their transformative journey in the matchmaking industry, combining Christelle's expertise in mental health and communication with Koko's passion for relationship science.
Their innovative service, It's a Match, is redefining how people approach finding love by offering more than traditional matchmaking—it's about personal growth and self-discovery. Discover how their serendipitous meeting led to the rebranding and expansion of their company, opening doors for a wider audience and revolutionizing matchmaking beyond its usual boundaries.
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Explore the challenges of modern dating as we discuss the profound impact of social media on relationships and the growing divorce rates among those in their late forties and fifties. Christelle and Koko highlight the critical role of matchmaking services in navigating these complexities, offering a guided approach that ensures safety and support.
Through personal anecdotes, we delve into the beauty and trials of marriage, and the importance of setting boundaries and fostering self-awareness for healthier relationships. With a lighthearted take on dating, we even ponder whether coffee dates are the way to go for a relaxed and pressure-free introduction.
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Engage with the deeper aspects of personal transformation as we touch on overcoming trauma and the path to self-healing. Christelle shares insights from her book and various therapies that aid in personal development, emphasizing that knowing one's worth is essential in forming healthy relationships.
As we navigate the journey of self-reflection, we also discuss co-parenting dynamics and the worldwide availability of their services. The episode wraps up with a heartwarming appreciation for the community being built around these conversations, and an invitation to join future singles events, celebrating love, connection, and the journey to becoming the best version of oneself.
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Before we dive in today's episode, I'd love to introduce my two amazing guests who are making waves in the matchmaking industry with it's a Match. First we have Christelle Prater, a successful entrepreneur, author and visionary behind it's a Match. With degrees in communication and certifications in mental health, christelle brings fresh innovation and insight to the matchmaking world. Her passion for helping others discover the best version of themselves drives her work, as she continues to elevate industries through her unique perspective and forward-thinking ideas. Now we've got joining us with her, ms Kiyoko Russo, also known as Coco, the incredible COO of it's a Match. Kiyoko has been in the matchmaking industry since 2013, earning her certification from the Matchmaking Institute in 2017. Known for her deep commitment to her clients, kiyoko's true calling is finding the perfect forever match for everyone she works with. Her dedication to relationship science, combined with years of experience, makes her one of the most trusted experts in the field. I'm so freaking excited to have both of y'all here, christelle and Coco here today to share their thoughts in the world of matchmaking.
Speaker 1:Thank you, oh, my gosh, so excited. So I have joked in the past and my mom has joked with me about starting a matchmaking service. Now the joke is is we can't get relationships right, but I swear to God, we can spot them like good, compatible people together. So I'm so excited and I've been really intrigued in matchmaking. Like I don't know if you guys ever watch what, is it Down for Love?
Speaker 3:and.
Speaker 1:On the Spectrum and stuff like that. I love that. My son's autistic, so I love it. Yeah, those are my favorite. Seeing them look for love and it's just beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful, and I think that you're in a beautiful business and I can't wait to hear. It sounds like you guys have an amazing relationship. We do. I can't wait to hear how you met and all the things. But if you want to just hop on here, you guys can take turns, introduce yourself a little bit more Anything that that I might not have touched base on and then I've got some rapid fire questions for you that I think will kind of break it up and put you both in your zones of genius, and then the story will just unfold all in its own. You know what I'm saying. I'm going to let y'all take over for a second.
Speaker 3:Hey, coco, you want to go ahead and go first?
Speaker 2:Oh no, I would like my beautiful blonde bombshell CEO who made this happen for me. Without her, I wouldn't like I had my times, but I believe God put us together.
Speaker 3:I agree, I agree. So I am divorced and I, as you said, I have a book coming out and I'm helping Coco build this company and we totally. When we met, I actually had called her about signing up for matchmaking myself, because finding the quality of person that I want is not going to just happen on an app or on social media or walking down the street or even scanning the you know the aisles at Lowe's or Home Depot Just not going to happen. So I had actually contacted her about that. And, as we were talking about that, one of my companies is a business consulting company to help coach businesses when they're struggling this or that.
Speaker 3:Not that Coco was struggling, but in the matchmaking world things are evolving and with everything else, if you don't evolve a little bit with it, then you're going to get left behind.
Speaker 3:And we started talking and, as she says, it was just like God put us together there to help support each other and to give us this great opportunity that we now call it's a Match. I mean, we've went through the reorganization, the name change, the rebranding, and now we're at that point to where everything is about to just take off. The grand opening of everything, all the media is about to come out and start our new websites coming up. So there's so much change, but the one thing that hasn't changed is our amazing matchmaker, which is Coco. I mean, as I you know, as you read that said there. You know, her heart for people is she won't stop until she finds it, and she's that great balance for me, because I'm more the business side of it and the coaching side of it, but she's the heart, and you know that's what people are looking for when they're looking for love, is they want that and they want somebody that can help them find that.
Speaker 1:So yeah, absolutely well, she's. She set you up for the stage, coco, which what you got for me um, well, I um, like she said, how we met.
Speaker 2:It was like a. It was during a time when I was putting out ads looking for a uh, co-founder at the time. But things had switched. It was for the best, I believe, because at the time I was trying to run the business and I don't want to use the word trying. I was running the business. I was running it with a person who's now going to be my ex-husband, um, and it wasn't going right and I was doing just Christian matchmaking. I wasn't branched out. I wasn't like doing everybody. I was doing a Christian matchmaking company called Genesis 218 and, um, I wanted to branch, I wanted to branch out, I wanted to do everybody, but I needed someone to do it with me that believed that, hey, let's do everyone, not just me.
Speaker 2:And then I'm not trying to bring religion involved in me, but God sent her at the right time at the right time and the way he did it, he did it so amazing because he brought her in. I wasn't expecting this to fall like this. I was expecting that she was going to be just a client and was going to move forward like that. But then God had amazing things for us to change, change roles, change name of the business. And she being older than me was a beautiful thing, because I never thought a woman that was older than me, that have lived on this earth longer than me, to come in and say you know what, I can help you. And it's business smart. I mean, she's an expert in business and she's like an auntie to me, she's like the one like I just really needed that girl sister power, and he sent her to me. So I'm I'm trying to do as best as I can without getting emotional. I'm a very I get emotional about certain things, especially her.
Speaker 1:Oh, coco, did I not tell you this? You can be emotional, you can curse, you can whatever whatever needs to come out, this is the place.
Speaker 3:I love that. I love that. The funniest thing on it she actually thought I was going to catfish her.
Speaker 1:So the first day oh my gosh, catfishing is such a thing. So I got, I got catfished when I was um now y'all, this was like my space days, so we're all familiar with it.
Speaker 2:I'm 35, I'm 35 too.
Speaker 1:okay, you know we're all getting familiar with the internet. We don't know any better yet, but, yeah, found out he was the catfish and this it went on for. I would say I think it started when I was like 18. And I found out who he was when I was like 21. You didn't go on MTV show, did you? I did not. No, no, I think that show came out like well, after I knew what catfishing was, and I remember thinking to myself had this existed in that moment, oh, I would have been on it. I would have been on it, pj, who are you? And I would have found out that it was some dude in Florida with a family pretending to be a teenager. That sounds about right. Yeah, anyway, it was some dude in Florida with a family pretending to be a teenager. Who does that? That sounds about right. I'm just posting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, anyway it was weird. Or you get the 60-year-old that's pretending to be 40.
Speaker 2:Okay, or you get the person from Africa that's pretending to be this handsome white guy.
Speaker 3:And then they put their picture.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not trying to bring race in here, I'm just saying it's true. They'll be from nigeria. They want to ask questions, nigeria zimbabwe.
Speaker 1:Okay, I watched plenty in 90 days fiance. That's one thing, my so it's fun. This is all kind of funny because my husband and I met. We met like through the internet, through bumble, oh, and when I started dating him I thought it was so funny because he would sit down with me and watch 90 day fiance and I was. What is going on and I became obsessed. So I know all about the catfishing and the Nigerian princes, that's the thing, okay, but I can see. The thing is I can see how I mean I fell for the catfishing thing. Granted, I was, you know, I was young, 18, 19. Granted, I was, you know, I was young, 18, 19, um. But I can see how lonely people are and can fall for it. And that's where you guys come in and I kind of want to maybe start there. Okay, sure, what considering you, you, you you're dealing. What is the age range of people that are you?
Speaker 2:you're dealing. What is the age range of people that are really actively like seeking love? Would you say, um, sometimes it shocked me and they'd be 21 and that's like you know, because that's a younger age, but it usually hit the age of 30. That's the number 130 and it goes up to like sometimes 60, but it uh. For women it's usually around 35. They come out and they're seeking, and it's different. Statistics show different things. You know, I've read some people say it's most people in their 40s, it's most people in their 30s, but I believe it's more in the 30 area, because a lot of women and men get a divorce usually in their 30s to get married in their 20s.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, I had a starter marriage myself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I had me, I had to start her marriage myself. Sorry, that's. The kind of the thing, though, is with everything evolving, because now you're getting into where even you know you look at people. Now you're getting more divorces, and then the divorce rates are coming up, that you're getting more divorces later in life. You're getting your women and men divorcing in their late forties, late fifties and starting all over in their sixties.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know, you're seeing a lot of that, that um, and that's opening up a market and you know, like we were laughing at the catfish, it's not just the catfish, I mean look at at social media. And when you look at social media Facebook, instagram, tiktok, all of those, especially TikTok's, the one I know most about um, you get these poor, like you said, these lonely people on there that they're giving. I mean, I have seen some that they're giving up their life savings to these creators because they think, because they flirt with them or because they talk to them yes, they think that they're going to date them because they're messaging behind the scenes and not to be known that that creator's married, he just taken your money, you know, or she, or whatever. I mean, it's a crazy world.
Speaker 1:I hadn't even thought about that and I am big on like I. Instagram is my jam, that's where I spend most of my time for like business related Right Used to be Facebook. I have I like TikTok but I'm like and TikTok, but you know I'd never even stopped to think about that and not to bring 90 Day Fiance back up, but on an episode of 90 Day Fiance. This episode is not sponsored by 90 Day Fiance, but I do remember one of the relationships. It was like a very attractive female on a very attractive male and he was, he was on tiktok and stuff and getting all these tips and it would come in the form of cash later on and I remember her being so uncomfortable with that. He's like oh yeah, baby, but it's just, it's just a business, it's just a la, la, la, whatever, and. But I can see, I can see how I didn't even think about that. You kind of just blew my mind thinking about that with the whole creator thing, because that's kind of messed up when I stop and think about it. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I mean there's other apps out there, favorited, I don't know. There's all the small versions of TikTok and Instagram out there, threads, you know various different ones that they're all doing the same thing. I mean that's one, coco, when you agree that's one of our big competitors is the dating apps and TikTok, or not just TikTok but social media.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like it is, but I mean, whatever floats the one boat, I believe you can find love, but it's best to find love. In my opinion, it's what a matchmaker, because we do the mat, we do the background checks, we also, um, we do the profile writing, we make sure dating, coaching, we make sure you're all prepared, give you the whole bundle to get you together, get you out to do it to find that perfect person.
Speaker 1:you're so made yeah, y'all are y'all hiring. It sounds like a dream job. Oh my god for the hopeless romantic.
Speaker 3:I can see how you guys would just love doing this well, it's neat when you see because, like she mentioned the dating coaching and relationship coaching, you had mentioned that you see these perfect relationships but you know people that can't seem to make that happen.
Speaker 3:And a lot of times that has nothing to do with the other person, but everything to do with yourself. Because until people learn what they really want, how to love themselves, how to appreciate themselves and how to set boundaries, that this is what they expect out of a relationship, this is what they expect people to treat them like, then you're going to have those difficult relationships ongoing. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You know and I know so many women that are afraid and I'm sure there's guys out there too that are afraid to tell somebody up front. This is what I'm expecting and this is what I'm looking for, and these are the boundaries that I'm going to live within, because they're afraid that person will walk away. Well, I think Coco would agree. If they walk away, then they're not your person, they're not your forever match, and that's what we work for. Is your forever match True?
Speaker 1:I'm just thinking about marriage in general.
Speaker 2:Marriage is hard, it is, it's beautiful though it's beautiful Marriage is hard, but it is a beautiful, I think it's. I like. I like to say I'm an emotional person. I remember when I did my very first match. It was my father-in-law and he, his wife, had passed when my husband, my next husband, was seven, on a cruise ship and he had times where he was like trying to date people and it wasn't working. I said, well, I'm graduating from the Matchmaker Institute, can I help you? He was like trying to date people and it wasn't working. I said, well, I'm graduating from the matchmaking institute, can I help you? He's like, no, no, no, I don't want to say please. Finally he said, okay, I'm gonna give it a shot. He said in the 80s, uh, I had a friend that told me that he used to match my god stuff. I said, well, this is not the 80s, you know I'm an 80s baby, I'm a millennium, but you gotta trust me. So he did I'm uh. I compared it up with a matchmaker that's a really good friend of mine. She's really known in the industry. Her name's ella. She's doing european matchmaking and then she does smoky mountain matchmaking service and chattanooga and she, me and her got together and it was like I was, you know, getting all the other matchmakers. Like you know, we're coming together and I'm searching, I'm going networking events. I finally find my soon-to-be.
Speaker 2:At that time I didn't know mother-in-law and I did not know that this Hungarian woman was going to be my mother, mother-in-law one day. So we was like we're gonna go ahead and go a day and he was like he's an older guy, so he's like he was a professor. But he was like I don't know how to use zoom, I don't know how to do it. I was like, well, he said I don't use skype. I said, well, it's kind of like the same thing. And so we helped him and stuff and they start video chatting. Then he flew out to meet her and then we thought it was like over, we hear nothing from him. And he was like after like a year or so he was like we're engaged, we're getting married december. I was like what? He's like yes, and I was like my, my soon-to-be ex-husband was like I'm so happy because my soon-to-be ex-husband is italian, so there's the two different cultures coming together, yeah. And so it was a beautiful wedding.
Speaker 2:I cried at it. It was like weird, I didn't know I was gonna cry and everybody the family's like looking at me you know they're italian, so everyone's looking at me like why is she crying? Like she doesn't want them together? And I'm like, no, I'm just so happy. I can't believe in the other matchmaker. She's just standing aside. She's like, yeah, we did it. And she looks at me I have tears. She's like, oh, my gosh, it was funny. But I was so happy like I never thought my first client would be my father-in-law yeah, no's so beautiful.
Speaker 1:I would be crying like a little baby too. I think it's weird not to cry, to be honest, but I've always been such a hopeless romantic. I've been looking for love my whole life, but in the wrong places, and so I want to know. I'm going to start with these questions. I have them written out, okay. My first question is and I feel like there may not be a perfect answer, but it'll get you going what would you say is the most important quality to look for in a match?
Speaker 2:That's all you can answer that one.
Speaker 3:I think that is going to be different on each person, depending what your client is looking for. There's no specific thing other than matching the values. The integrity you know that's why we do background checks is we want to make sure you're getting a quality person. We do financial checks to make sure they're who they say they are, because when you're dating somebody or when you meet somebody, you don't really get to know them those first 90 days. It's between the 90 days and the six months, but in that real person emerges in the individual. Sometimes it goes as even long as nine months out. So you know, we do our best to make sure that you put down that you're wanting someone of this, this, this and this characteristic, whatever it may be. That's what we're looking for, that's what we're matching you with and sometimes, like I said, to find that forever match it may take several different matches because you may go out on a date or do your Zoom call and come back to myself or Coco and say you know what? He did have this and he had the. He was the business person that he said he was in this and that, but he answered his phone six times in the night.
Speaker 3:You know well, when you're dealing with a major, major business owner, sometimes they have to do that and you know so.
Speaker 3:Then you find out okay, so that may not be the exact thing you're looking for, but you're looking for that person that is financially well stable, with the lifestyle that you're looking for, but they work a nine to five and they don't have those after hour responsibilities all the time. Okay, so that's where Coco and I spend a lot of time behind the scenes talking to you, as you know, as one of our clients, to find out what specific changes we need to make. And sometimes it means Coco takes a whole new route and I've seen her do this already and just goes to a whole different style of matchmaking alliance that we have to different matchmakers to say, okay, how about this? And I mean she works really hard networking with other matchmakers. We're actually leaving this weekend to London for a conference to network with other matchmakers and to pick up some new training and things like that to help, because there is no set thing that this is the one trait that's perfect for everybody, because that doesn't exist.
Speaker 2:I love it. I agree with everything she just said. I do too.
Speaker 1:I'm like okay, next question. I'm like okay, next question, okay, first date. Would you recommend coffee or dinner Coffee?
Speaker 2:Yes, that goes back to an old logo. I used to have coffee, because coffee you can just sit and talk. You know it's nothing, you're not feeding your face, you're not worried about her breath going to stink If she has onions, like some guys are like guys like I'm gonna make sure she ain't got no onions on her plate, you know. You know they're gonna get that first. Kiss someone like I don't kiss you, but you know everyone's different. But coffee.
Speaker 2:I always thought that would be like the first um way to me also to just if you're me and client, coffee is always the best place, like a coffee shop, because you get that intimate meet and greet to see if you guys are meant to. You know, be around each other, match with each other, socialize, however you want to put it, whatever works, but it's. A second date can be dinner and then a third date can be something fun, or you could flip the flop, however you want to do it, but I just really feel like a more get to know you. Each other is cool. That's just my all the way opinion.
Speaker 3:No, I think you're right, because it takes the pressure off. You know, that's why sometimes Zoom calls, or a coffee day, other than I was sitting there in my mind trading coffee breath or onion breath. Neither one's really in my book. That's where my brain went, but it does take the. It takes the expectations and the pressure off to make it more relaxed and casual that hopefully both individuals will open up more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my mind went to it's also going to be easy to just leave, which I need to.
Speaker 3:You can cut the time limit.
Speaker 1:Yes if it's not working. This 12 ounce of beverage is gone. I got to go.
Speaker 3:Well, and you know, here's the greatest thing is as a client, you don't have to do the rejection. And that's the part that people you know especially for me, that's the part that I have the hardest time with is saying you know, I'm sorry, this is friend zone. Or you know, I'm sorry, I'm looking for someone more like this. You know something like that.
Speaker 2:That's Coco's job yeah, I just go back and say, hey, I got a ton of the matchmaker, I got a feedback. Um, my client said this and that, or they're not interested, it was very it could be. No, they were mutual, he's not or she's not just gonna move forward with this, yeah. Yeah, I hate saying that because I see another match where they look like are you serious? Like I've been. One was just looking at me like all this chasing around, it was funny, me in her lab and she was like okay, it was just her face. It was like price, like I know I have to wait a couple of days for me to get back to me. But yeah, this, this is what's up and you didn't notice.
Speaker 3:I said that's coco's job.
Speaker 1:I noticed I was picking up what you were putting down crystal, okay, oh my gosh. I mean it's, I don't know, that may burn a little more actually if I stop thinking about it like I'm used to getting rejected. But I got rejected professionally. I got professionally broken, oh my gosh. But at the end of the day, I think that if you're, if you're in the game looking for love like you get hurt a lot either way. So it's worth the definitely worth the risk.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you are probably a lot of fun to work with yeah, people say I am, I have one, I'm not gonna say his name. I have a client and he loves like he. Sometimes I'd be like we have a time limit that we talk and I just go over you know feedback and stuff like that. And he'd be like he have a time limit that we talk and I just go over you know feedback and stuff like that, and he'd be like he'd just be wanting to talk to me. I'm like we're not going to do that, sir, we're just going to stay on the whole thing, like he'd get off a little subject be like you going golfing today. I'm like I don't golf but okay, but it's fine. He loves talking to me. He always say I love you. He always say that I'm like okay, I've just never had a client, somebody they love me, but he's waiting for you to get divorced but no, coco is fine, she.
Speaker 3:I mean, when we have meetings it's comical, I mean we're. And especially when it's just the two of us, it's like okay, we have to rein this back in or we'll be here all day well now, I'm upset that I can't see see you on camera should I look?
Speaker 2:well, I'm a little bit bigger than the picture, but I'm losing it. I lost 35 pounds so far. I lost six pounds yesterday doing weight govi, so I'm getting myself in shape girl I what is um?
Speaker 1:I am using zetbound.
Speaker 3:I've never heard of it.
Speaker 1:It's similar but it is changing my freaking life. It has changed my life. I was like borderline high cholesterol and way too big for my frame, and I was. I have a three-year-old. I was like just very limited my. Anyway, I too am down almost 40 pounds. I'm proud of you, good job anyway. So she said we're going to be, and I was like, oh, that's very similar to you.
Speaker 2:Go, girl, you go girl and I don't. Well, I'm not gonna say she might not want to know she's taking anything. Um, I just give it to myself. She didn't say anything, so so I go into just like I'm slender and I don't have to say anything.
Speaker 3:Me. No, no, no, no, no. I have. At one point I weighed almost 300 pounds. Wow, coco's seen the pictures. I mean. So yeah, I weighed almost 300 pounds. I still got some more that I want to drop, but I am working on it. I actually I was so proud of myself today because I tried on a dress that I bought and I've had hanging in the closet trying to get ready for this trip and it's a medium. So about two years ago I was in a triple X. Today I actually got the medium. It was snug. I will not lie. It was fucking everything.
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Just I mean, and you know I work, I was. I hit the gym before I got on here today and it's kind of why I'm really casual looking. So thank goodness this is a voice, not a visual Hold on I'm interested.
Speaker 1:It looks this is a voice not a visual hold on.
Speaker 2:It looks nice from the top up, so that lipstick on. Oh, can we also? Um, is it okay if we also say the name of her book? I'm, her book is very good. Uh, are you going to announce it? Are you ready to? Are you? Do you want to air? Everyone can hear you can announce it, coco.
Speaker 3:I want you to announce it, coco. Actually got the very first copy off the press. Oh yeah, tell us about it. It's called Beyond Trauma and it's about I use my own personal life experience as to where, like as you mentioned earlier, I have the mental health coaching certifications and I think God had me. I actually was at a conference in Pensacola, florida, a women's conference, and somebody asked me hey, would you consider taking these classes and being a coach? And I was like sure up, and it was a two year study that you went through that got your certifications, and I think God had me go through that to heal myself.
Speaker 3:Because I was kind of the beginning journey of me helping me book about, because between my personal abuse I've grown up in and marriages and dysfunctionalities and everything that I've went through, I wanted to share some of those experiences. But it's not about my experiences in the book. It's more about what I did to overcome some of the situations. What I did because when you go through abuse or trauma or sexual abuse or whatever PTSD, any of it, it's all trauma and your body reacts to it to where most people don't realize. When you are dealing with a narcissist, you can actually, as the victim, end up with brain damage because your brain starts mapping and different parts of your brain under become underdeveloped, to where parts of the other parts become overdeveloped, which causes different behaviors and I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I needed to hear that this is part of my friends really fucking with me right now because, um, I'm personally going through a lot of mental health issues and it's something that I've been struggling with for years, but the older I get, the more vocal I am about it, and so one thing that I struggle with is in my marriage it's really difficult to to have to communicate with someone who doesn't have mental illness, um, and which I he's, he's literally probably the perfect husband. I mean, I just I have too many feelings. I think for him is what it is. That's beautiful, I love that, and but it's it causes a lot of doubt in my mind, because my past relationships were with narcissists and my upbringing I was raised by narcissists, and so some people say, you know like, oh, you're just an empath, or and I'm like, I really I was literally crying in the next room earlier talking about how I just I don't think it's him, I think it's me, all of our issues are me and it it's.
Speaker 3:I think I needed to hear that today, because I am looking at psych evaluations and whatnot, because I do feel so like my brain is not functioning the way it should and then you say that dealing with a narcissist, it's very likely because the the hippocampus in your brain, which is kind of your short-term memory, your common sense, kind of sensory things that you know, you just kind of do, begins to shrink because the forgive me, I never it. Never. It starts with an A and another part of the brain it starts with an A, it starts to overgrow. Well, that is because of your fight or flight. You're either saying a fight, flight, or you know freeze or whatever you know, run away, and all of that. But when it starts overdeveloping it also starts causing other issues to where your sense for more promiscuous sexuality behavior begins to engulf or your lack of reservation to certain situations that you would normally have been reserved to. You're more willing to be risky because of the different changes in some of that.
Speaker 1:Very interesting and it just lets me know yeah, I feel like I need to see a psychiatrist.
Speaker 3:You know it's things. There is therapy, like there's an eye therapy that you can do, that reprograms your brain. You know it's used for a lot with PTSD. There's exercise Exercise is a big deal and things because it read. What you have to do is you have to retrain your brain to where the one section that's overdeveloped starts reducing while the section that's underdeveloped begins to enlarge again and become back to normal, and it is possible.
Speaker 1:No, it's making sense, because I mean, this is totally making sense. I know this isn't where the episode needs to land, but the amygdala, that's it. Yes, thank you, and I've. So, anyway, that could.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that could be an episode in itself, but you know it is still part of what Coco and I do, because that's where the coaching comes in for dating and relationship, because we we, we are not therapists, but we can connect people, if you know, if they get in there and they figure out. You know, oh, I went out with this guy and he said that I asked too many questions, or I do this or I do that, or I'm too much this, and then the next guy is doing this and you're seeing a pattern of behavior problem. That's when Coco and I can get together and talk and, you know, find, ok, we'll coach with her and say this would be our suggestions to help you better yourself and make a better version of yourself. So that way, when the right guy is there and we find that forever match, you're ready.
Speaker 1:I love that you're offering those service, like those services, because match I don't feel like any matchmaking I've witnessed doesn't seem to have. It seems like they're just there for the event of matchmaking, you know, and seem to have. It seems like they're just there for the event of matchmaking, you know, and so I love that you're incorporating coaching too, which makes sense if, Christelle, you were a coach before this. So I know you shared a story earlier about your father-in-law, but is there another like favorite success story that comes to mind either of you?
Speaker 2:Yes, it was. I'm not allowed to give out her name, but I am allowed to say this. She was a pediatrician and she lived in virginia and she, um, she came to me and, um, she seen me on, I believe, the global love institute website or something like that. She said she seen that I did a spotlight to do spotlight on certain matchmakers and she was like, well, I am a christian woman. At the time I was doing christian, just christian. Now I, just I do everybody but time I was just doing christian and she had came to me and she said that she was looking for black on black love. Now that, right there, I, as a Black person, I have been in an interracial relationship half of my life, so that was a challenge but I conquered it.
Speaker 2:I helped her find this guy that when they, after they did the Zoom call, she decided to jump on a call with me. She decided to jump on a call with me, with him, and they was like you did it. She was like I don't know what the future will hold for marriage for us, but you have put us together and that was in year 2016. And I was very nervous because the type of guy she was looking for. I was like there's no way I could find.
Speaker 2:So I have to talk to her about her standards and stuff like that, because she had these very high, high standards that I knew we were not going to actually find me. It's out there, but the areas that she was looking for we wasn't going to find it in those areas and we uh, we found this guy. He worked for the government and it was with another matchmaker that doesn't want her name mentioned or anything like that. But, um, it was a good match and they're still together. Today, as I pass by certain social media, like on TikTok, and I see them do videos together. But they're not married, but they are still together. That was 2016, is now 2024, so every time I see her, it makes me really happy.
Speaker 3:I actually thought you were going to talk about the actress.
Speaker 2:Oh the actress. No, that's not a success story, it was a crazy thing and I just want to say you know, if you can't, if you're not financially stable, going to a matchmaker might not be the best thing for you. Maybe starting up like dating coaching and then finding something like in your budget that match like you have other options like matchmakers. We throw singles events.
Speaker 3:I was going to say the singles events. For those that can't afford the matchmaker, the singles events are very successful.
Speaker 2:Yes, and for any matchmaker that even come across this podcast, never make the same mistake I ever made. It was a big mistake and I regret that, but I worked with her for the fullest and she was just never happy.
Speaker 3:But you did finally succeed. So that was. I was so proud of you for that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And you know, the neat thing too is like singles events. I don't know about other matchmakers, but at all of our singles events we give away one free matchmaking package oh, that is super cool.
Speaker 1:I didn't even ask. So are you? I'm in mississippi. I didn't think to ask for you she's.
Speaker 2:I'm in for walton, but she's in a so destin florida area get area. Get out, get. Our business is located in that area and she's she lives in that area. I'm in fort walk beach, which is next it was the county is walked in okaloosa okaloosa walk county, so people know as the redneck river or lower alabama. That's us.
Speaker 1:I'm super familiar with florida, I mean mississippi, you're. You're pretty much my neighbor, and anytime we go to the beach I prefer Florida. But I have to find who do you meet in person one day, other than Zoom I?
Speaker 2:really I just want to say I love your interviews you have on your podcast. I listen because when I first seen you I was like wait a minute, let me listen to her stuff, and I was like I just love how it comes on. It's so fun.
Speaker 1:It's your. I'm a little curse heavy. Um, it's something I'm working on, but I call them sentence enhancers and but outside of that, yeah, I try to, just as you say, just keep it real and and you started doing COVID right.
Speaker 2:Yep, yeah, I read all of that. I was amazed, like just meet you and everything. I was like I like what I see and I was so excited to be on here.
Speaker 1:It's very choose us for sure I was really excited whenever I saw you had a matchmaking service, because I'm not shitting you, my mom and I when we get down and we're like what, what would be so much fun to do together, because I she's in a spot in her life where she's in her fifties and we're both like just personally evolving a lot, and so I like tried it. I'm a life coach, so I tried to inspire her, and so that's one of those things she'll bring up once in a while that we should do a matchmaking service. But she never follows through. I was so excited to talk to actual matchmakers, because all you really get to see is like the stuff on TV and it just seems so over embellished and I would say more about the show than the client.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean? Yeah, and Coco's the one that's trained, and I think she would agree that that's what they teach you towards that, don't they? Coco?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And that's where I came in and I said let's look at it through a business aspect and start to make the change. I said you know the business aspect, let's bring it down to where, no, it's not made for your low income, but your professional people, you know that are out there. You know if they give up a Starbucks coffee a day or better, they can afford it. You know it's not over the charts, off the charts, expensive. You know, and the different things you know that we offer, you know, by the time you look at people paying for dating apps, usually I mean they're expensive, they're expensive.
Speaker 1:I remember, I remember, I remember whenever I was on Bumble I'm like I'm not going to pay. They're expensive, like $30, $50. I don't know, it was like $50.
Speaker 3:Well it's like you know what $45 for the app. Then they want another like like, boost yourself for another 25 and then, if you won't be able to go back to the one you accidentally swiped, that you really didn't want to swipe, there's always another 25, there was always.
Speaker 1:There was always something.
Speaker 3:I do remember that subconsciously they don't realize they're paying 75 bucks an app, more than likely a month, you know I think it's kind of funny, though, about which is different from matchmaking firms and dating apps.
Speaker 2:It's like an individual could hit up every dating app with the same profile picture and with a matchmaking firm, you're locked into that firm, so your profile is not gonna be the same. Guy with the with the dark hair, dark eyes, tall guy with the dreads is not gonna with the red shirt, is not gonna be with the red shirt, it's not going to be at all. The other matchmaking firms, like they're not going to see you. I'm just saying, for what I have seen, like you swipe, you're on Bumble or Tinder or Stir, and then the same people is on the same app, the same t-shirt.
Speaker 3:And their pictures are current and their pictures don't have filters, so you actually know what they're going to look like.
Speaker 1:The filters get. The filters are driving me crazy, I don't know. Okay, I'm going to share this with y'all and listeners. If you're one of these people, don't be offended. I have people who come up to me in person but I know on social media and they're like. I've had people like oh, you're the host of just women talking shit. I don't recognize them because all I know is what they look like with filters. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:I seen one one time and it was like a sheriff. I think it was one of our Florida sheriffs that said this and said hey, women, please turn the filters off so when you get lost or something happens, we know who we're looking for. I was dying laughing. I was like, absolutely, absolutely. I mean. That's why I think Coco thought when she first met me she was going to be catfished.
Speaker 2:I was like me and my um husband, our ex or co, I like call him co-parent partner. We were both like. He was like okay, so this woman is in her 50s I said, yeah, he says no way. He's like when she walks the door she's no, like I told him when she walked in I like I walked out. I haven't told some of my friends I was like this is her for real. He was like whoa. I said she really looked like her picture you never know. I do.
Speaker 1:I do remember when my husband, when my husband, met me, he told me later on he goes. I was just happy to say that you, you didn't just look like your pictures, you looked better than your pictures. Because I mean and I get it um, we women can be insecure. But I just feel like it's kind of setting you up for failure, ladies, if you're showing up with a filter, like you're literally showing up with a mask, and men with and then yeah, I, I won't, oh god, anything about that I mean I actually canceled a date this week because he sent peter coco's like oh I'm.
Speaker 3:she's like are are you sure? I'm like uh-uh, nope, Because he used a filter. And a picture that was probably eight years old, or I had one off of an app that said he was 49 and he was 59 when he showed up. I'm like don't lie, because that's just telling me you're going to lie about that. You're going to lie about anything else. I mean hello.
Speaker 1:I got one for you, christelle and Coco okay what okay, back in my tender days yeah this was right before husband number one, but I was.
Speaker 1:I was emotionally distraught and I was one of those that I would relationship popped and I, like, I've told my husband we get divorced ever. I mean, y'all just expect me to be alone like it's gonna be, like I'm gonna be focused on the kids and working out and like traveling. That's it, because I would never want to go back to dating or be on the apps or any of that you know I said the same thing.
Speaker 2:I did and I still I kind of do. I feel that way, but I'm not gonna lie. I, when I was in my twenties, before I met my husband, who's now we're at the party, but I the whole dating app thing, I it was crazy. It was, it was crazy. And then people were like, and then I didn't even use a filter and I'm like, no, I gotta tell the story.
Speaker 2:I didn't use a filter and this guy said I took this picture, I took this picture and I can't I'm going to find that picture. I took this picture and I have natural. My hair is naturally, it naturally grows to like my shoulders. So this guy, he was like he didn't think it was my hair and it wasn't a filter. He said I thought it was a filter. He said, cause you were walking across the beach and it was like blowing and I was in my 20s and he's like you were just standing there with this dress on. I was like, all right, how's she gonna look?
Speaker 2:When I came in, the first thing he did was fill my hair. I was like how would you feel if I put my hands through your dreads and see if one falls out. So it was not just filters, even like when people have like fake butts, you see them then when you like, because I have a cousin who's like the same day. I remember my cousin's like yesterday I went on a date with this girl and he was like she had like on a picture she had like this big round butt and he's like I didn't. I met her person. She was wild. I was like what happened to it? I didn't want to ask him, but then I noticed that it had to be fake and he found out it was actually fake like they're sticking, like almost like when you were little and you used to stuff your bra.
Speaker 3:They were probably buying those bottom enhancers, those like underwear that has built-in butts. Oh, I don't even know about those. They've been working out this whole time.
Speaker 1:I don't need them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she does it, but I'm not going to lie. I might.
Speaker 1:I've been losing my ass with this weight loss, okay, well, okay, I gotta get back to my story right quick. You're like me, you just I'm the same way. I'm like I gotta tell my story because if I don't, I'll forget it, but I'm remembering now, so I just remember what I was saying was I wouldn't want to ever get back on any of that, but one of the funniest, and I've got stories for days.
Speaker 2:I should write a book.
Speaker 1:But I was in this phase where I would, just, I was being very like, just, I guess, adventure-driven, reckless, I did not care. So I would go on dates with guys with no intention of ever like doing anything, Just I just wanted to go on dates because I did not want to be alone, and one that I had talked to for I would say, four or five days. I felt comfortable meeting and so I didn't feel threatened by him whatsoever. We meet and I immediately did not feel threatened once I met him, because the whole time he'd been sending pictures, he had been posing a certain way that I did not realize why he was posing that way until I saw him. And it's because and this is the kind of crap that I just blows my mind when it comes to dating- he was hiding his little arm.
Speaker 3:Stop, I want to talk, I'm walking, I got to walk off and that's why we have Coco, you know, and that's why we make them get professional pictures they can't send us. I mean, they have to come from a photographer.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, okay, Y'all are doing the dirty work. I like that, though, because meanwhile yeah, no, I'm not joking, by the way His arm this is his normal arm and then his other arm was like back here.
Speaker 2:Like scary movies with the Wayne brothers.
Speaker 1:That's what comes to mind. He wanted to use a strong hand, Anyway, but then it got creepier because it just. I remember going home that night because I was in, I was getting. I was in. What was it? I'm trying to remember the time of my life as to why I was doing crazy shit. I was getting divorced from crazy husband number one, who really messed me up, and so I went home that night with a story to tell my mom, because she was there for it and I was like you're never going to believe this shit and I told her and then I showed her the pictures and she was like, oh my God, it all makes sense. But what was scary was and that's why I highly recommend now maybe getting a matchmaker, because it kind of freaked me out but I remember wanting that date to end so badly that I was talking about my ex-husband and how messy the divorce was Well, yeah, you don't supposed to do that on dates, but go ahead.
Speaker 2:So you didn't watch. I messed up.
Speaker 1:I messed up bad, but I remember saying my last name and somehow he found me on Facebook and that's when I was like I'm gonna take a step back from this dating thing. That's creepy yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, I had one before I met Coco that I met for lunch, because that's usually my go-to is coffee lunch, you know, that's kind of the thing and he had picked I'd picked the restaurant because it was a place I knew, and he had got there before me and picked a booth in the corner. Well, with all my trauma, I don't mind sitting in a corner, but I have to have see exits. I have to see how I can escape if needed, and I couldn't but so in the start of the day, and it ended up that, to make the long story short that we had, he was going on about stuff and I just I mean one, he didn't look like his picture. When I got there too, he said he was Well, he was an Uber driver. I'm like, oh my gosh Three. I think he still lived with his mom, from what I got of the conversation. So I'm ending this.
Speaker 3:You know, I went ahead and was polite, had the lunch and I'm like, OK, I have a meeting to get to, I really need to go. You know, this is probably not going to work for me. And then he started getting hateful and loud and started telling me that I wasn't a Christian because I didn't take Sundays off, and this and that, and it just kept escalating and escalating. So finally I'm like I've got to go and I'm picking up my stuff, I finally got the bill paid and obviously he didn't pay the bill. So of course he did. He paid his because I paid my half.
Speaker 3:But so then he just kept getting louder about this you know that I'm not a Christian, I don't take Sundays off and just getting more violent with it, with his words, and I'm trying to get up, he stands up and blocks me in the corner. Get out. And one of the waiters that comes over, steps kind of between us and gives me a thing to where I get. And I told him before that. I told him I said please lose my number, just lose it. And I scurry out and I get to the ladies room and when I come back out the waiter said he's gone. But it was so messed up that the waiter walked with me to my car because he didn't trust that guy to not be out there.
Speaker 1:That's so scary and I've had a situation similar to where, like I, literally I remember dipping off because he was pressuring me to like follow him somewhere and I was like hell, no, my lights off. Dipped off. And that's why Coco runs background checks I was gonna say, like the shit that we put ourselves through to look for love is insane, yeah but we were created for it.
Speaker 3:I mean, you know her when she had genesis 218. That verse is so beautiful because that's where god's talking about taking the rib from adam to make eve, because he said it's not good for us to be alone. As humans, we're relational based people. We're created for relationships and love. I mean God is love and he created us because he wanted love.
Speaker 1:I love. Yes, I'm all about some love and Mississippi. You know, I know a little bit about the Bible.
Speaker 2:So we know, you know. But I'm not trying to get on that, I'm just saying I know um, I want to because I feel like a lot of my girlfriends.
Speaker 1:Now my girlfriends are like all over the world. I don't really have close girlfriends around me, which is why I love whenever I see internet relationships, because I identify with that a lot. But it seems like a lot of my girlfriends, a lot of my clients, are going through this, like I think it's like a spiritual evolution, and they're shedding their partners with this evolution. And like I was, I was, you know, being honest with you all about my mental state right now. And I'm honest with all my listeners, all my followers, everyone, because I know how alone a lot of people feel and they suffer in silence and that's why I think I've been so addicted to finding love. But I just I would love to know what, what, I guess, words of wisdom you have for the women, the women especially, because I mean, this is just women talking shit, but I know that men out there too are evolving and healing.
Speaker 1:There's this I don't know if you're noticing it, but it seems like people are really starting to do the healing work, and whether that, you know, be be through church, through, like retreats, through fasting, therapy, shadow book, yes, people are starting to become so much more aware and like trying to heal, and so with that, unfortunately, I'm seeing in my clients and I'm scared of for myself is losing our partners in this evolving, and so I want to know cause? I hear, christelle, you've been married. I don't know how many times, but I heard marriages, I think twice, twice. Okay. And then, coco Kiyoka, are you on marriage one or two?
Speaker 2:One. I got married 2012,. October the 18th and um my divorce is being finalized 2020.
Speaker 1:We've been together for a good minute okay, and we're all over 30 and so, but let's just be real.
Speaker 3:I think what you're seeing, though, is, yes, there are going to be, I know, in different situations. You know, if you're in an abusive marriage and that person's not getting help and you're getting help, then likelihood is there that marriage is going to struggle, because you're basically looking at two people that are broken, and if one's healing they're going to move beyond the one that refuses to heal. If you have a healthy person and a broken person and that person starts helping themselves, then hopefully, the goal there would be that they would join together and, as this one heals they'll, they would get closer. Yeah, you know, my my suggestions to people would be one I mean, that's why I wrote the book is the when I wrote the book it's called Beyond Trauma I wrote it. It's not a big read it's like 75 pages but each chapter has five to 10 self-help questions, things that you need to look at in yourself, things you need to do. You know and I and I stated throughout there multiple times that I am not a therapist, I'm a coach, and even in the book, I will tell people.
Speaker 3:You know, if you're struggling with some of this, my encouragement would be to get somebody that has therapy training that can help you. Church is great I get that. But sometimes when you're working with people in the church they're not mental health trained to help you with some of those. So that's where I support a licensed therapist over that, you know. Can they be supportive system? Absolutely Can't. Or some of them. Some of them are trained in that as well as you know the religious background, and that's a different thing. But before moving on to a new person or anything like that, you have to focus on yourself first and get that self-healing. You know down to where you know that you have stabilized yourself. And then you know in my book and this is something I've Coco's heard me say thousands of times I tell people you're not who you were yesterday, before all this stuff happened. You sure as heck don't want to be who you are in the middle of it. So how do you figure out who you're going to be once you're through all this?
Speaker 3:Because what seems to happen and what I've seen, not just in people but in years ago, is I spent years healing, working, working, working, working, working on myself. But then there were still areas that were healed but I hadn't grown past them. Example I had healed in my self-value after my first marriage and different things, and I was independent. I lived on my own for six years before I remarried again. But what I didn't look at was the value that I expected others to have in me, the value that I had in myself, as well as how I expected people to treat me. So I ended up settling for something that was definitely not healthy and I, you know, I, thought it was a good thing at the time. I thought, you know many different things, but it had less to do with my marriage falling apart.
Speaker 3:This time. It had a lot to do with some of the abuse, but the abuse was allowed because of what I thought of myself that I couldn't do better, that I didn't deserve better, or that was okay, or it's not so bad, or maybe what everybody else is saying is right. Maybe I need to compromise. I literally dumbed myself down for years trying to fit in. You can't do that kind of stuff. You have to look at who you want to be, where you want to go, and set yourself towards that and live today for who you want to be tomorrow. And once you start doing that and you're actually healed, then you can look at okay, this is who I'm going to be tomorrow. What type of person fits that genre of me, correct?
Speaker 2:and um for oh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to hard to wrap this up, uh, for any. I just want to say for any male, always, um, start over. For any single or male that is listening, that is in a relationship that doesn't seem like it's going to work. You've been fighting to keep it together, hold it together. I just want to say it's nothing wrong with letting go. It hurts more to hold on to something that is not working and you don't have to allow people to keep you together. If you know it's not working. It's okay to let go, breathe, relax and move forward with your life. Also, I want to say to anyone that's Christian that's listening to this it's okay to move forward with your life.
Speaker 2:Do not let the body of Christ, people in the church, tell you to be in a marriage that is definitely abusive or just playing out, just adulterous. To hold together and you can. God does not put anyone together. That God would never put any of his children in a relationship to be hurt. And co-parenting is a beautiful thing and it can really help.
Speaker 2:And don't ever, you know, dislike each other when you can't function with the children, because to build a relationship to be with someone else you have to can't function with the children, because to build a relationship, to be with someone else, you have to have a relationship with the father and mother of your child, because they're going to be part of your relationship as well when it comes to the children. It's something I learned in co-parenting and I know that's kind of like a little bit off subject, but I feel like that needs to be thrown in just in case if anybody's listening like, hey, I'm gonna go use a matchmaker, stuff like that. That's something that I would always want one of my clients to tell me. Yes, I have children. Yes, I'm co-parenting with my mother, the mother of my children or the father of my children. So that's a big thing to find a match and to know that the other person will always want to know that I'm about to get off something yeah, and you know, the other thing is it's a match.
Speaker 3:We work worldwide. You can find us on almost every social media. We've got Facebook presence, our Web page should be coming up, hopefully by this weekend, and we're on TikTok. We have ads that are getting ready to start on TikTok, and so you know, reach out Coco. Coco is always willing to make a new friend and find them a friend.
Speaker 1:I love it. I love it so much. Well, thank you all so much for joining me today.
Speaker 3:No problem, you were amazing. Thank you for the fun conversation and the laughs.
Speaker 2:We're nervous.
Speaker 1:We're having fun. Well, any. I think that people have you been on any podcasts yet? Yes, I think that people have you been on any podcasts yet? Yes, I have you have. Okay, I remember whenever I was starting this, and then especially when I started getting on podcast interviews, how you get like worked up and then you get there and if you have like the energy and the chemistry, it's just it's over with in a split and it's like it comes so natural. So that's why, like, I do that little questionnaire and I feel like it gives me insight to you, and then the rest is genuinely like I just want to know, like, what do you do? Why are you doing it? And I think that's why this um podcast is starting to catch on, because it's just like I feel like it's a natural conversation. Like when you pick up the phone, you're're like hey, girl, what's up? Okay.
Speaker 2:And that's what I want.
Speaker 3:It's an advice for anybody that's listening. It's kind of and it's what people want. Because if you look at TikTok, the chat rooms, live chats I mean I've been in on, I've been tossed in those several times and it's just.
Speaker 1:You know people in there chatting. Well, this is is. This has been fun, and I feel like I gotta go find y'all on TikTok now. I don't even like TikTok. I'll come look for you now because it sounds like y'all got something going on over there that I need to know about. Um, but, yeah, go look for Christelle's book and any of the links that y'all mentioned. Uh, there'll be in the show notes and any, just any last words that you want to share or anything you want to sign off with before we go.
Speaker 2:One more thing November the 15th, we will be having our singles event, located in Fort Walton beach, Florida, from seven to 10 at the breakers again, fort Walton beach, florida. Name 7 to 10 at the Breakers Again, fort Walton Beach, florida. The name of the event is Autumn Singles Gala. So if you're interested in coming to Northwest Florida, please come down. It's a match we're hosting.
Speaker 3:What? And it's limited, limited space. Oh, limited spaces too. Okay, this one is limited, it maxes out. Yeah, and my book will not hit until probably October. So 1st of October, so another week.
Speaker 1:So well, perfect, cause this episode will go out in about two weeks, so all right, so we'll have it up before the event takes place. Be sure to send me any event links for that and y'all look them up online. It sounds like you're in all the places and I would say, sounds like the best opportunity to meet these ladies. Will you be at that event? Oh yes, okay, we'll be to show up in person for one of their events. So all you Florida peeps I know I have some Florida peeps and I got some Florida listeners, my Florida clients. Y'all know who you are. We suck at dating, so maybe just go higher than higher than we can and if they miss the one in november, we have the big ones.
Speaker 3:Um at the gulfarium um march 28, 28, 28th coco, yes, go fair. Okay, so it'll be on the water, you'll be able to see the water, the dolphins, everything and free food, free drinks and open bar. Forever, love of your life that's so much fun.
Speaker 1:I'm married, though.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, if it doesn't work out, send single girlfriends and guys and live vicariously through them that's what we'll do.
Speaker 1:That's what we'll do. Well, thank y'all so much for being on. Just women talking shit. It's been fun talking about all this shit, right, catfishing and all yeah, this the, the chapters and show notes of this are gonna be like go here for catfishing, go here, go here for Christianity, oh man, okay. Well, y'all tell your friends. Um.
Speaker 1:I will Any. If you really enjoy the show, I would love for you to pop in and review it on um, either Spotify or Apple podcasts, um, and just ask where. Yeah, apple podcast is the one that matters the most, um, and then Spotify. I listen to everything on Spotify, but I know the Apple podcast is the one that matters the most, and then Spotify. I listen to everything on Spotify, but I know the Apple podcast, I think. And if y'all ever y'all should do a podcast at some point, that would be really cool. But that's the one that you want to like. Push to people to review like quickly, cause it it'll help you get known faster. I'm getting a slow, a slow start with that, but I try to tell everybody. If you enjoyed it, pop on there and just leave a quick review and it would help. But it's been fun. Y'all are so awesome, by the way, thank you, and with you being in Florida, I know like it's singles events, but I would like to see y'all at some point.
Speaker 1:I love your energy. It's awesome. All right, well, if y'all have nothing else, I'll let you go and y'all go have a beautiful day. You, too, have an amazing one, thank you so much, bye, bye.
